Comments on: The True Meaning of GAR http://www.baka-raptor.com/2008/12/04/the-true-meaning-of-gar/ Anime editorials from a lazy raptor. Wed, 28 Jul 2010 09:33:54 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: Lord Karna fan http://www.baka-raptor.com/2008/12/04/the-true-meaning-of-gar/comment-page-2/#comment-6342 Lord Karna fan Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:57:59 +0000 http://www.baka-raptor.com/?p=1478#comment-6342 Personaly, I admire five characters the most in Mahabharata Shree Krishna, Karna Abhimanyu Bheesma Arjuna Personaly, I admire five characters the most in Mahabharata

Shree Krishna,
Karna
Abhimanyu
Bheesma
Arjuna

]]> By: Lord Karna fan http://www.baka-raptor.com/2008/12/04/the-true-meaning-of-gar/comment-page-2/#comment-6341 Lord Karna fan Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:55:47 +0000 http://www.baka-raptor.com/?p=1478#comment-6341 That is true Utkarsh...when humans are involved...I doubt if we can ever seperate them as good or evil people... but its the deeds..those deeds are good or evil And I didnt knew about him being reincarnation of demon...all I know is that according to spell, Sun God had to bless Kunti with a son with best qualities. Only fault in Karna was his arrogance..but mostly, it would be hard to find a nobler character in entire mahabharat That is true Utkarsh…when humans are involved…I doubt if we can ever seperate them as good or evil people…
but its the deeds..those deeds are good or evil

And I didnt knew about him being reincarnation of demon…all I know is that according to spell, Sun God had to bless Kunti with a son with best qualities.
Only fault in Karna was his arrogance..but mostly, it would be hard to find a nobler character in entire mahabharat

]]> By: Lord Karna fan http://www.baka-raptor.com/2008/12/04/the-true-meaning-of-gar/comment-page-2/#comment-6340 Lord Karna fan Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:52:16 +0000 http://www.baka-raptor.com/?p=1478#comment-6340 Actualy, insulting the princess as whore is about the worst mistake of karna's life....or atleast he thought so! (It turned out that she said no to him only cause of class system, but in the end she ended up admiring him a lot....until he insulted her ofcourse XD) And agreed about divine intervention! even after that they had to break the rules to end him Actualy, insulting the princess as whore is about the worst mistake of karna’s life….or atleast he thought so!

(It turned out that she said no to him only cause of class system, but in the end she ended up admiring him a lot….until he insulted her ofcourse XD)

And agreed about divine intervention! even after that they had to break the rules to end him

]]> By: Niraj http://www.baka-raptor.com/2008/12/04/the-true-meaning-of-gar/comment-page-2/#comment-5775 Niraj Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:16:41 +0000 http://www.baka-raptor.com/?p=1478#comment-5775 Jai Sri Krishna. I am sorry I made a mistake. Mr R.C Dutt was not a disciple of Sri Rabindra natha Tagore but Its Sri Tagore who worked under Mr. R.C Dutt. Mr. R.C.C Dutt served as the first president of Bangiya Sahitya Parishad (Bengali: বঙ্গীয় সাহিত্য পরিষদ) in 1894, while Rabindranath Tagore and Navinchandra Sen were the vice-presidents of the society. Best regards Niraj Jai Sri Krishna. I am sorry I made a mistake. Mr R.C Dutt was not a disciple of Sri Rabindra natha Tagore but Its Sri Tagore who worked under Mr. R.C Dutt. Mr. R.C.C Dutt served as the first president of Bangiya Sahitya Parishad (Bengali: বঙ্গীয় সাহিত্য পরিষদ) in 1894, while Rabindranath Tagore and Navinchandra Sen were the vice-presidents of the society.
Best regards
Niraj

]]> By: Niraj http://www.baka-raptor.com/2008/12/04/the-true-meaning-of-gar/comment-page-2/#comment-5235 Niraj Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:50:52 +0000 http://www.baka-raptor.com/?p=1478#comment-5235 Jai Sri Krishna You are absolutely right. I agree with you. Jai Sri Krishna
You are absolutely right. I agree with you.

]]> By: Utkarsh http://www.baka-raptor.com/2008/12/04/the-true-meaning-of-gar/comment-page-2/#comment-5227 Utkarsh Thu, 07 Jan 2010 09:16:43 +0000 http://www.baka-raptor.com/?p=1478#comment-5227 There is no plain white and black characters in Mahabharata, but they are gray to the core, with leaning on good and evil sides. Karna, the antehero although in severel aspects was a great human being, but in some others his actions were qustionable. Although he was the son of sun god, he was also a partial reencarnation of a demon. Duryodhana, although was devious and wicked in his plots against pandavas, he was alos a just ruler. Even Shakuni, had reasons for all his actions. Same goes for pandavas as well. Everyone of them had fallen from grace one time or another. Funny isnt it, the decisive battle between good and evil was fought between people who are quintessentially humans? There is no plain white and black characters in Mahabharata, but they are gray to the core, with leaning on good and evil sides. Karna, the antehero although in severel aspects was a great human being, but in some others his actions were qustionable. Although he was the son of sun god, he was also a partial reencarnation of a demon. Duryodhana, although was devious and wicked in his plots against pandavas, he was alos a just ruler. Even Shakuni, had reasons for all his actions. Same goes for pandavas as well. Everyone of them had fallen from grace one time or another. Funny isnt it, the decisive battle between good and evil was fought between people who are quintessentially humans?

]]> By: Utkarsh http://www.baka-raptor.com/2008/12/04/the-true-meaning-of-gar/comment-page-2/#comment-5225 Utkarsh Thu, 07 Jan 2010 08:35:43 +0000 http://www.baka-raptor.com/?p=1478#comment-5225 There is no arguement there that it was indeed one of Drupad's intentions was when he joined pandava army. But come on, it is not as simple as it may appear, that drupad's intention was only his revenge on Dronarchya when he joined panadavas. Granted, he wanted Arjuna as the son-in -law to get the revenge on Drona, because he knew that there is only one person who can stand against the teacher is his best student. But if pride and honour is in question (that was the very thing for what Drupad seeked revenge as he believed he lost them when his own kingdom was given to him by Drona in charity), one's daughter's, and one's sister's honour is much more imprtant in Indian history. Thing is no matter what Drupad would have joined pandavas, and no matter what Drona would have joined Kauravas. First reason..it was to make it appear that the odds are against Pandavas (which wasnt really the case, as the Preserver himself was driving the chariot of the peerless Bowman for them), second reason....no matter how much we argue end of the day, Arjuna is center character of the epic. Just look at the passages after passages dedicated to him, and to his skills, you will know. Even his enemies, including Karna and Ashwatthama, the other two great archers of the generation has praised him severel times. Anyway, returning to the point, Drupad was no match for Drona, as he was killed by him. Dhristadyumna, whose very existence was to destroy Drona couldnt have killed him either. But here Abhimunyu's death again comes into play. The part that Drona played in it and consequences that he must suffer for it. Drona met a violent and not a noble end. Dhristadyumna himself wasnt spared either, his death was equally violent. Point is, that war was a decisive war between good and evil, and no matter which side you fought for, your actions will bring adequate consequences. I would never say it was for their characteristics that those five( Bheeshma, Kripa, Drona, Karna, and Ashwatthama)joined Kauravas. Each had their own reasons. But three of them suffered for thier actions on the battlefield. Bheeshma suffered for something that he had done two generation ago. See if these people were evil, Arjuna wouldnt have doubts before the war and Sri Krishna didnt need to utter Gita to him:-). There is no arguement there that it was indeed one of Drupad’s intentions was when he joined pandava army. But come on, it is not as simple as it may appear, that drupad’s intention was only his revenge on Dronarchya when he joined panadavas. Granted, he wanted Arjuna as the son-in -law to get the revenge on Drona, because he knew that there is only one person who can stand against the teacher is his best student. But if pride and honour is in question (that was the very thing for what Drupad seeked revenge as he believed he lost them when his own kingdom was given to him by Drona in charity), one’s daughter’s, and one’s sister’s honour is much more imprtant in Indian history. Thing is no matter what Drupad would have joined pandavas, and no matter what Drona would have joined Kauravas. First reason..it was to make it appear that the odds are against Pandavas (which wasnt really the case, as the Preserver himself was driving the chariot of the peerless Bowman for them), second reason….no matter how much we argue end of the day, Arjuna is center character of the epic. Just look at the passages after passages dedicated to him, and to his skills, you will know. Even his enemies, including Karna and Ashwatthama, the other two great archers of the generation has praised him severel times. Anyway, returning to the point, Drupad was no match for Drona, as he was killed by him. Dhristadyumna, whose very existence was to destroy Drona couldnt have killed him either. But here Abhimunyu’s death again comes into play. The part that Drona played in it and consequences that he must suffer for it. Drona met a violent and not a noble end. Dhristadyumna himself wasnt spared either, his death was equally violent. Point is, that war was a decisive war between good and evil, and no matter which side you fought for, your actions will bring adequate consequences.

I would never say it was for their characteristics that those five( Bheeshma, Kripa, Drona, Karna, and Ashwatthama)joined Kauravas. Each had their own reasons. But three of them suffered for thier actions on the battlefield. Bheeshma suffered for something that he had done two generation ago. See if these people were evil, Arjuna wouldnt have doubts before the war and Sri Krishna didnt need to utter Gita to him:-).

]]> By: Niraj http://www.baka-raptor.com/2008/12/04/the-true-meaning-of-gar/comment-page-2/#comment-5223 Niraj Thu, 07 Jan 2010 03:38:14 +0000 http://www.baka-raptor.com/?p=1478#comment-5223 Jai Sri Krishna. Your point " Thing is there always will be one logic and another to counteer Amazing thing about great literatures " is wellmade. Your message Dont waste time on arguing who was better is also correct. In the end dharma had to prevail and hence for humanity sake the noble saintly Pandavas had to be victorious. But you must realise that what prompted stalwarts like Bheeshma, Drona and Karna to side with the evil Duryodhna was a philosophy NOT evil nature. Bheeshma had pledge eternal loyalty to Hastinapur throne. Drona was suffering from poverty and his own friend Drupad deserted him thats when Dhrithrashtra - duryodhans father gave him a job opportunity as a Guru. Hence he had to repay that debt. Karna was indepted to Duryodhan as duryodhan had come to his rescue when embarrasing questions were asked to him about his birth. If you study Mahabharata well you will realise that these 3 gentlemen were better than many people like Drupad who was with the Pandava army and ditto for Drishtadyumna. They were not bothered about dharma. They were assiting the Pandavas for their own selfish reasons ie killing Drona for revenge. Mark my words if Drona would have joined the Pandavas you would have seen both these peaople hand in hand with Duryodhan so that they could kill Drona. Even today coaches of great sportsman are honoured with dronacharya award there is no Drishtadyumna award or Drupad award whatsoever. Great philanthropists are compared to Karna not Drupad. best regards Niraj Sharma Jai Sri Krishna. Your point ” Thing is there always will be one logic and another to counteer Amazing thing about great literatures ” is wellmade. Your message Dont waste time on arguing who was better is also correct. In the end dharma had to prevail and hence for humanity sake the noble saintly Pandavas had to be victorious. But you must realise that what prompted stalwarts like Bheeshma, Drona and Karna to side with the evil Duryodhna was a philosophy NOT evil nature. Bheeshma had pledge eternal loyalty to Hastinapur throne. Drona was suffering from poverty and his own friend Drupad deserted him thats when Dhrithrashtra – duryodhans father gave him a job opportunity as a Guru. Hence he had to repay that debt. Karna was indepted to Duryodhan as duryodhan had come to his rescue when embarrasing questions were asked to him about his birth. If you study Mahabharata well you will realise that these 3 gentlemen were better than many people like Drupad who was with the Pandava army and ditto for Drishtadyumna. They were not bothered about dharma. They were assiting the Pandavas for their own selfish reasons ie killing Drona for revenge. Mark my words if Drona would have joined the Pandavas you would have seen both these peaople hand in hand with Duryodhan so that they could kill Drona. Even today coaches of great sportsman are honoured with dronacharya award there is no Drishtadyumna award or Drupad award whatsoever. Great philanthropists are compared to Karna not Drupad.
best regards
Niraj Sharma

]]> By: Utkarsh http://www.baka-raptor.com/2008/12/04/the-true-meaning-of-gar/comment-page-2/#comment-5193 Utkarsh Wed, 06 Jan 2010 09:44:31 +0000 http://www.baka-raptor.com/?p=1478#comment-5193 Thing is there always will be one logic and another to counteer. Amazing thing about great literatures such as Mahabharata, Macbeth, Streetcar named desire etc is the numbers of interpretations can be made of them. With all due respects to the scholers mentioned above, their versions of the story is simply that, "an interpretation". Again, I am NOT saying Arjuna was better than Karna. And I would never say Arjuna was better than Dronarchya or Bheeshma. Jishnu himself would probably say that they were much greater warrior than him. The character of Karna was created in the form of an archetype antehero, a classic tragedy, like Macbeth. He was born in great things with great gifts. But his choices combined with a fierce hand of fate was what that destroyed him. Point of Mahabharata is not who was better warrior. Point of the epic is the choices you make between good and evil and its consequences. I am not going into the stats again because I think I made my point clear on my last post. Granted, there were severel sages who considered Karna as better between the two, but there were enough also who said it was Arjuna who was better. In the last apocalyptic battle between the two, both were evenly matched until Karna's wheel sank in ground. Like every death in that war this too was caused by dharma. If Arjuna didnt fired, then who knows, either could have win. Dont waste time on arguing who was better. As I said sometimes it was Arjuna who excelled and sometimes it was Karna. But at the end it was much more profound thing that caused Karna's death than a mere broadheaded arrow. Just like Duryodhana's death it wasnt just a mere broken thigh, it was much more complex than that. Thing is there always will be one logic and another to counteer. Amazing thing about great literatures such as Mahabharata, Macbeth, Streetcar named desire etc is the numbers of interpretations can be made of them. With all due respects to the scholers mentioned above, their versions of the story is simply that, “an interpretation”. Again, I am NOT saying Arjuna was better than Karna. And I would never say Arjuna was better than Dronarchya or Bheeshma. Jishnu himself would probably say that they were much greater warrior than him. The character of Karna was created in the form of an archetype antehero, a classic tragedy, like Macbeth. He was born in great things with great gifts. But his choices combined with a fierce hand of fate was what that destroyed him. Point of Mahabharata is not who was better warrior. Point of the epic is the choices you make between good and evil and its consequences. I am not going into the stats again because I think I made my point clear on my last post. Granted, there were severel sages who considered Karna as better between the two, but there were enough also who said it was Arjuna who was better. In the last apocalyptic battle between the two, both were evenly matched until Karna’s wheel sank in ground. Like every death in that war this too was caused by dharma. If Arjuna didnt fired, then who knows, either could have win.
Dont waste time on arguing who was better. As I said sometimes it was Arjuna who excelled and sometimes it was Karna. But at the end it was much more profound thing that caused Karna’s death than a mere broadheaded arrow. Just like Duryodhana’s death it wasnt just a mere broken thigh, it was much more complex than that.

]]> By: Niraj http://www.baka-raptor.com/2008/12/04/the-true-meaning-of-gar/comment-page-2/#comment-5192 Niraj Wed, 06 Jan 2010 07:33:59 +0000 http://www.baka-raptor.com/?p=1478#comment-5192 Jai Sri Krishna. Coming to the bow scenario The ultimate test of a warrior is wielding or firing arrows from a bow given by Sri Parshurama. This is evident in Sitajis swayamvar. Even though Sri Ram broke the bow of Lord Shiva, Sri Parshuram was NOT impressed. He challanged Sri Ram by saying take my bow and fire an arrow from it then I will be convinced that you are the greatest warrior- which Sri Ram did. In the Mahabharata there is only one warrior who wielded a bow given by Parshuramji and that is Karna. His bow Vijay dhanush was given by Parshuramji. Parshuram was a hard taskmaster and whatever weopens he had with him were always the best of the best. Thats precisely the reason he gave Sri Ram his bow. Indirectly Karna duplicated Sri Rams feat. So you can see that handling Karnas bow was no joke. Coming to weapons Yes Arjuna had the Pashupat astre but Karna also has recorded firing divine weapons like Bhargava astra and Vaishnav astra. Its a recorded fact in Mahabharata that at the end of the war Arjuna chariot blew up to smithereens when Lord Krishna got of the chariot and when Hanumanji also left it. Enough said. Jai Sri Krishna. Coming to the bow scenario The ultimate test of a warrior is wielding or firing arrows from a bow given by Sri Parshurama. This is evident in Sitajis swayamvar. Even though Sri Ram broke the bow of Lord Shiva, Sri Parshuram was NOT impressed. He challanged Sri Ram by saying take my bow and fire an arrow from it then I will be convinced that you are the greatest warrior- which Sri Ram did. In the Mahabharata there is only one warrior who wielded a bow given by Parshuramji and that is Karna. His bow Vijay dhanush was given by Parshuramji. Parshuram was a hard taskmaster and whatever weopens he had with him were always the best of the best. Thats precisely the reason he gave Sri Ram his bow. Indirectly Karna duplicated Sri Rams feat. So you can see that handling Karnas bow was no joke. Coming to weapons Yes Arjuna had the Pashupat astre but Karna also has recorded firing divine weapons like Bhargava astra and Vaishnav astra. Its a recorded fact in Mahabharata that at the end of the war Arjuna chariot blew up to smithereens when Lord Krishna got of the chariot and when Hanumanji also left it.
Enough said.

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